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During pregnancy, the danger level to an abused women rises dramatically. The screening is a good call.
During pregnancy, the danger level to an abused women rises dramatically. The screening is a good call.
Did I completely miss the raisin talk?
Did I completely miss the raisin talk?
Unsolicited intervention for zero reason is probably a bad call. It is funny how we can hear an example of something that didn't do any good (at best it wasted time), probably undermined some trust, it is kind of hard to imagine how it would do good, but we (well, not me) seem to assume that somewhere the good intentions must have some good results somewhere. Evidence? Maybe, but I doubt it. Airport security and a lot of other aspirational do-gooderism comes to mind. I'd look for a different doctor. And since it is a law I'd look for a different state. Actually, I'm too lazy. I'd probably ask the nurse something that is none of my business just to enjoy her clueless eyes glaze over with total lack of understanding. She may “have” to ask, but you don't have to answer non-doctor-related questions (you don't have to answer any at all).
Took me a while to even find anything because we obviously don't even
have any clue whatsoever on the subject as a society, but…that certainly isn't going to stop people from passing laws that may cause more harm than good.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pm…
“Researchers disagree about whether the prevalence of IPV decreases
during pregnancy, remains about the same, or if a woman is at increased
risk for IPV in the time between conception and delivery. Recent
comprehensive reviews have generally concluded that while some hospital
and clinic based studies noted an increased risk, national and
international population-based studies have found either that pregnant
women are no more likely than nonpregnant women to experience IPV, or
may even be at decreased risk.35 .”
“Gazmararian et al in a comprehensive review of the literature, concluded that the prevalence of IPV in pregnancy ranged from 1%–20%”
Holy fucking shit! Look at that range! Who the fuck knows what it really is and the nurse could have spent the time she spends making perhaps 99% of the patients feel awkward for no reason discussing nutrition or SIDS, or even the goddamn car seats.
I know this isn't the venue for this stuff, so why don't we agree to keep it that way? You know when they say “don't mud wrestle with a pig?” I'm the pig.
Unsolicited intervention for zero reason is probably a bad call. It is funny how we can hear an example of something that didn’t do any good (at best it wasted time), probably undermined some trust, it is kind of hard to imagine how it would do good, but we (well, not me) seem to assume that somewhere the good intentions must have some good results somewhere. Evidence? Maybe, but I doubt it. Airport security and a lot of other aspirational do-gooderism comes to mind. I’d look for a different doctor. And since it is a law I’d look for a different state. Actually, I’m too lazy. I’d probably ask the nurse something that is none of my business just to enjoy her clueless eyes glaze over with total lack of understanding. She may “have” to ask, but you don’t have to answer non-doctor-related questions (you don’t have to answer any at all).
Took me a while to even find anything because we obviously don’t even
have any clue whatsoever on the subject as a society, but…that certainly isn’t going to stop people from passing laws that may cause more harm than good.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2971723/
“Researchers disagree about whether the prevalence of IPV decreases
during pregnancy, remains about the same, or if a woman is at increased
risk for IPV in the time between conception and delivery. Recent
comprehensive reviews have generally concluded that while some hospital
and clinic based studies noted an increased risk, national and
international population-based studies have found either that pregnant
women are no more likely than nonpregnant women to experience IPV, or
may even be at decreased risk.35 .”
“Gazmararian et al in a comprehensive review of the literature, concluded that the prevalence of IPV in pregnancy ranged from 1%–20%”
Holy fucking shit! Look at that range! Who the fuck knows what it really is and the nurse could have spent the time she spends making perhaps 99% of the patients feel awkward for no reason discussing nutrition or SIDS, or even the goddamn car seats.
I know this isn’t the venue for this stuff, so why don’t we agree to keep it that way? You know when they say “don’t mud wrestle with a pig?” I’m the pig.
For a woman who is already being abused, the pregnancy represents a stressor that may cause the abuse to escalate.
Anywhoo, since most pregnant women receive prenatal care, 5 minutes of screening may help doctors to become aware to the risks to their patient.
And I'm sorry that you're a pig.
For a woman who is already being abused, the pregnancy represents a stressor that may cause the abuse to escalate.
Anywhoo, since most pregnant women receive prenatal care, 5 minutes of screening may help doctors to become aware to the risks to their patient.
And I’m sorry that you’re a pig.
Thanks for backpedaling. 5 minutes of screening time that is allegedly valuable time with a nurse/doctor is an instant stressor and negative for the vast majority of those not experiencing domestic violence. It would also be a stressor and may be of zero and thus negative value for those that are. What is the nurse actually going to do about it? Does it work? Nobody knows of course. But that doesn't stop people from mandating things that are probably net negative value just based on simple arithmetic.
Just because it sounds like a good idea doesn't make it a good idea, and I suspect it likely makes it a bad idea because we have to deal with all the do-gooders who do things based on feeling like they know without any actual knowledge.
Realistically, I'm the pig in mud because we don't really get a say anyway. It's just fun to argue. You lost the argument when you started typing because I knew they had no clue they were doing. They never do. If you want to have a congenial discussion, I'm always game. Are you? I'm guessing not. Y'all never are. You like to pass laws. It keeps the annoying discussion to a minimum. Maybe I'm misjudging you. Prove me wrong.
Thanks for backpedaling. 5 minutes of screening time that is allegedly valuable time with a nurse/doctor is an instant stressor and negative for the vast majority of those not experiencing domestic violence. It would also be a stressor and may be of zero and thus negative value for those that are. What is the nurse actually going to do about it? Does it work? Nobody knows of course. But that doesn’t stop people from mandating things that are probably net negative value just based on simple arithmetic.
Just because it sounds like a good idea doesn’t make it a good idea, and I suspect it likely makes it a bad idea because we have to deal with all the do-gooders who do things based on feeling like they know without any actual knowledge.
Realistically, I’m the pig in mud because we don’t really get a say anyway. It’s just fun to argue. You lost the argument when you started typing because I knew they had no clue they were doing. They never do. If you want to have a congenial discussion, I’m always game. Are you? I’m guessing not. Y’all never are. You like to pass laws. It keeps the annoying discussion to a minimum. Maybe I’m misjudging you. Prove me wrong.
Five minutes of awkwardness seems worth it if it gives some women a chance to ask for help if they need it. If I were asked those standard questions, it might be a it awkward as it was for Jenna, but it wouldn't be a big deal to me, because I'd be able to say that all was well and then be on my way, which seems worth the small inconvenience if there's a chance that it will help another woman.
Five minutes of awkwardness seems worth it if it gives some women a chance to ask for help if they need it. If I were asked those standard questions, it might be a it awkward as it was for Jenna, but it wouldn’t be a big deal to me, because I’d be able to say that all was well and then be on my way, which seems worth the small inconvenience if there’s a chance that it will help another woman.
I don't have a strong opinion about the content of this argument one way or another, but it's a sign of immaturity when someone declares: “you lost the argument when you started typing,” and then suggests that the burden is on the other to “prove me wrong.” Ironically, by attempting to sound intelligent, you reverted this whole discussion back to standard internet trolldom.
I don’t have a strong opinion about the content of this argument one way or another, but it’s a sign of immaturity when someone declares: “you lost the argument when you started typing,” and then suggests that the burden is on the other to “prove me wrong.” Ironically, by attempting to sound intelligent, you reverted this whole discussion back to standard internet trolldom.
There's nothing congenial about your tone or your generalizations of “They never do”, “Y'all never are” and “You like to pass laws.” Very dismissive and condescending.
There’s nothing congenial about your tone or your generalizations of “They never do”, “Y’all never are” and “You like to pass laws.” Very dismissive and condescending.
Hahaha! No, you didn't. It didn't happen. They must've recorded last week's show on the same night as this week's show and accidentally got the topic mixed up for the description, because I'm hearing cutting funny raisin talk now as I'm listening to this week's episode.:)
Hahaha! No, you didn’t. It didn’t happen. They must’ve recorded last week’s show on the same night as this week’s show and accidentally got the topic mixed up for the description, because I’m hearing cutting funny raisin talk now as I’m listening to this week’s episode.:)
Can someone tell me who Jeff fox and Greg heller are in this pic? I like knowing the face of who I'm hearing lol. If I had to guess, Greg is on the left and Jeff is far right.
Can someone tell me who Jeff fox and Greg heller are in this pic? I like knowing the face of who I’m hearing lol. If I had to guess, Greg is on the left and Jeff is far right.
It is the opposite. Jeff is on the left and Greg is far right.
It is the opposite. Jeff is on the left and Greg is far right.
I was asked the “abuse” question as well. It was close to my delivery date, my husband came along and was asked to leave the room for it. My husband is the gentle-est guy ever and was hurt later on when I told him what they had asked. I understand it may be a very real issue in some relationships, but it's sad that every member of the male gender is under suspicion of being an abuser. And if the woman does say yes, what can they do anyway? Arrest him right then and there? Wouldn't she be afraid of that, afraid of losing him as abused women generally are? How many women DO tell the truth? Another of these type of questions was asked after delivery, after we had been home a week or so. I got a phone call asking if all was going okay, if I had been having any feelings of harming my baby…..what??? I hadn't even had a mild case of baby blues and was doing great. I hate all this suspicious questioning and doubt it prevents anything in the long run.
I was asked the “abuse” question as well. It was close to my delivery date, my husband came along and was asked to leave the room for it. My husband is the gentle-est guy ever and was hurt later on when I told him what they had asked. I understand it may be a very real issue in some relationships, but it’s sad that every member of the male gender is under suspicion of being an abuser. And if the woman does say yes, what can they do anyway? Arrest him right then and there? Wouldn’t she be afraid of that, afraid of losing him as abused women generally are? How many women DO tell the truth? Another of these type of questions was asked after delivery, after we had been home a week or so. I got a phone call asking if all was going okay, if I had been having any feelings of harming my baby…..what??? I hadn’t even had a mild case of baby blues and was doing great. I hate all this suspicious questioning and doubt it prevents anything in the long run.
It's one of those laws thought up by some do-gooder which will do more harm than good in the end.
It’s one of those laws thought up by some do-gooder which will do more harm than good in the end.
I just got back from 3 weeks in Europe and I'm super behind on pods – I don't think I'll ever catch up (I realize these are both GREAT problems to have!). Just wanted to say hello and love to you all!
I just got back from 3 weeks in Europe and I’m super behind on pods – I don’t think I’ll ever catch up (I realize these are both GREAT problems to have!). Just wanted to say hello and love to you all!
I asked my husband if he'd be upset if those questions were asked of me by a nurse if I was pregnant and he said that he'd be fine with it as long as he knew that they were questions that were routinely asked of everyone and not him being singled out, which makes sense to me.
I asked my husband if he’d be upset if those questions were asked of me by a nurse if I was pregnant and he said that he’d be fine with it as long as he knew that they were questions that were routinely asked of everyone and not him being singled out, which makes sense to me.
Do what I do: get incredibly high then binge on podcasts while playing 8 hours of Tetris.
Unless you have responsibilities or whatever.
Do what I do: get incredibly high then binge on podcasts while playing 8 hours of Tetris.
Unless you have responsibilities or whatever.
Unfortunately, the stuff that makes people high just makes me paranoid and anxious and unable to sleep. But thank goodness I don't have responsibilities (well, I do have cats). I hear those aren't much fun. 🙂
Unfortunately, the stuff that makes people high just makes me paranoid and anxious and unable to sleep. But thank goodness I don’t have responsibilities (well, I do have cats). I hear those aren’t much fun. 🙂