Alison is joined by Jeff Fox, Dustin Goot, Daniel Quantz, Allan Moss and Jenna Kim Jones for a discussion of mortifying moments (Dustin pooped his pants!), bike riding, scary movies, the proper way to greet ghosts, exercise farts, that controversial segment Alison did last week and why it was problematic, grocery delivery, romance and more. We also did a round of Just Me Or Everyone (click here to see the JMOEs from this episode).
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The song was fun. What is the matter with people? People don't also get that you had higher ratings before your firing (and maybe the causality runs the other way? Oh snap, no he di'n't!!!).
Why not just talk about it like you'd talk about any huge part of your life, with humor. Now that you can't be fired I'd like to hear about the behind the scenes. Not for picking sides, just out of genuine curiosity. After all, your direct interaction with FE off air was basically zero, so how bad could it get?
The song was fun. What is the matter with people? People don’t also get that you had higher ratings before your firing (and maybe the causality runs the other way? Oh snap, no he di’n’t!!!).
Why not just talk about it like you’d talk about any huge part of your life, with humor. Now that you can’t be fired I’d like to hear about the behind the scenes. Not for picking sides, just out of genuine curiosity. After all, your direct interaction with FE off air was basically zero, so how bad could it get?
I agree completely. Who are these humorless fans that are ruining it for the rest of us?! The song was brilliant and I thought it was a great idea to put a little levity into the situation. Agreed as well that getting a “behind the scenes” view would be fascinating.
Not to be a part of you feeling jerked back and forth (and I still maintain that you should do what feels right to you), but I'm sad and even angry that you were made to feel bad about that song. It was hilarious. I don't understand how people didn't take it in the humorous spirit for which it was intended. Dustin is wrong. Weird Al doesn't have the corner on satirical songs. Songs are allowed to be funny, especially, especially on podcasts and radio shows. That song was obviously meant to be funny and it definitely allowed you to talk about your experiences in a lighter way than you'd been able to before you had the song. Ridiculous! Like the others have said so far, I agree that it's also interesting to hear about the behind the scenes working with and for Carolla. You have a right to talk about it. Everyone in entertainment talks about their past experiences. It's ridiculous that people are trying to shut you up about your four years with Carolla. He should not be untouchable. I feel like you're being manipulated by his dominance and his fans that feed into that.
I'm sure I'll have more to say after I've finished the episode, but I haven't gotten much past Dustin's poop story and Dustin is kind of on my poop list right now, to be honest.:)
I agree completely. Who are these humorless fans that are ruining it for the rest of us?! The song was brilliant and I thought it was a great idea to put a little levity into the situation. Agreed as well that getting a “behind the scenes” view would be fascinating.
Basically the one thing I'd really like to know is if the former Thursday gang members have reached out to you on a personal level since being told they can't work with you. I would really like to hear a little more about how these guys are doing, if you could talk about it in ARIYNBF code (like referring to the “person with a particular towel habit” or “strict shower technique” or “everyone's favorite little foodie”) maybe that would keep the trolls from finding it and digging in.
Not to be a part of you feeling jerked back and forth (and I still maintain that you should do what feels right to you), but I’m sad and even angry that you were made to feel bad about that song. It was hilarious. I don’t understand how people didn’t take it in the humorous spirit for which it was intended. Dustin is wrong. Weird Al doesn’t have the corner on satirical songs. Songs are allowed to be funny, especially, especially on podcasts and radio shows. That song was obviously meant to be funny and it definitely allowed you to talk about your experiences in a lighter way than you’d been able to before you had the song. Ridiculous! Like the others have said so far, I agree that it’s also interesting to hear about the behind the scenes working with and for Carolla. You have a right to talk about it. Everyone in entertainment talks about their past experiences. It’s ridiculous that people are trying to shut you up about your four years with Carolla. He should not be untouchable. I feel like you’re being manipulated by his dominance and his fans that feed into that.
I’m sure I’ll have more to say after I’ve finished the episode, but I haven’t gotten much past Dustin’s poop story and Dustin is kind of on my poop list right now, to be honest.:)
Basically the one thing I’d really like to know is if the former Thursday gang members have reached out to you on a personal level since being told they can’t work with you. I would really like to hear a little more about how these guys are doing, if you could talk about it in ARIYNBF code (like referring to the “person with a particular towel habit” or “strict shower technique” or “everyone’s favorite little foodie”) maybe that would keep the trolls from finding it and digging in.
I like this.
But part of the bind that they're in as far as Alison's show goes, is that they've been told they'd be fired for publicly associating with Alison, not just appearing on the show. But I would like to hear some updates too, assuming it doesn't compromise their position any.
I also had no problem with the segment and found it interesting. If you decide it's better to let it go, fine, but the one thing I'd like to hear about is the real reasons as you suspect them to be. Support you no matter what and it's been amazingly easy to give up the ACS.
The only problem with the behind the scenes is I suspect there will be no there there. I remember how fondly Alison talked about “connecting” with FE when they happened to travel together one time. Emphasis on one time. It shows how little Alison expected from the relationship, and boy did she get it. Maybe FE thinks that is a feature rather than a bug, but then he can’t honestly expect people to always be on the same page.
In fact as my brain grinds away I seem to remember that discussion being with FE wife and IIRC FE wife saying FE can be hard to connect with.
The song was on the nose. After all 4 years would be like dog years in radio. FE could have been complimentary and just owned up to having a wild hair to go in a different direction.
Yes, as I remember what she's already said, she heard that they were told that if any of them associated with her, they'd be fired. They crazy thing is that Carolla would come out looking a lot better if he looked like the magnimous guy who still let them be on her show. People would have given him a lot of credit for that, even if it still would've been undeserved, since he shouldn't have a right to tell them who they associate with. It's bad enough that they have to worry about how they conduct any part of their lives in case they're doing something that he would disapprove of, but now he also gets to dictate who they associate with simply because of a backlash. The only thing that she had done at the point of when he'd made that threat was reveal how she'd been fired. Nothig to deserve him suddenly saying that they couldn't associate with her after he'd already said in the firing email that they'd still be allowed to be on her podcast. He's clearly not a man of his word, therefore, not a man of integrity.
You're right. I remember that interview with Lynette as well.
I like this.
But part of the bind that they’re in as far as Alison’s show goes, is that they’ve been told they’d be fired for publicly associating with Alison, not just appearing on the show. But I would like to hear some updates too, assuming it doesn’t compromise their position any.
Here's two more of my cents on Song-gate:
1. I don't think people are keeping track of Adam's list of grievances the way you think they are. There are a few exceptions, but I doubt many of your listeners are thinking “whe addressed points 2, 5, & 7 through 9, but not numbers 4 or 11, what gives?” As far as veracity goes, I'd wager their general sentiment is, to paraphrase Larry Miller, the game is over and you've already won. So I would guess it's a minority of your audience who is clamoring for it, along with non-listeners who are in it for the drama, or up just missed the Pukeocalypse episode, which you handled very well. People who like the show already like it; it may be something you want to get into, but it isn't a “must”.
2. While I don't think there's a need for scorekeeping or a dedicated feature, count me among those who don't mind hearing you talk about it if it should happen to come up, or there was a theme you wanted to touch on. There's just something about the song etc that didn't seem to fit the general vibe of the show, from my POV. I apologize on behalf of all of us song-haters if it seemed like we were trying to censor you.
I also had no problem with the segment and found it interesting. If you decide it’s better to let it go, fine, but the one thing I’d like to hear about is the real reasons as you suspect them to be. Support you no matter what and it’s been amazingly easy to give up the ACS.
Alison, you know what is best for you. I also believe you know what is best for your show. I totally understand seeking or considering feedback as well as collaborating with trusted friends and/or experts. However, at the end of the day it is your show and people are here because of YOU. Just want you to remember that!
I looooooooooooved this long Thursday ep, I totally needed it after the weird week I've had. Thanks, dudes!
I'm fine with whatever Alison decides is best for her and her show as far as this topic goes – but I have to admit I would love to know how they are all doing and what not. Every time I see one of them tweet I go, “awwww, it's Gary (or Matt, or Chris)!” and get sentimental. Word on the street is that Chris has his own pod now called Resume or something like that. I don't know if it's on the C network but am guessing it is. I might pop over for a looksee just cause I miss 'em.
Yes, as I remember what she’s already said, she heard that they were told that if any of them associated with her, they’d be fired. They crazy thing is that Carolla would come out looking a lot better if he looked like the magnimous guy who still let them be on her show. People would have given him a lot of credit for that, even if it still would’ve been undeserved, since he shouldn’t have a right to tell them who they associate with. It’s bad enough that they have to worry about how they conduct any part of their lives in case they’re doing something that he would disapprove of, but now he also gets to dictate who they associate with simply because of a backlash. The only thing that she had done at the point of when he’d made that threat was reveal how she’d been fired. Nothig to deserve him suddenly saying that they couldn’t associate with her after he’d already said in the firing email that they’d still be allowed to be on her podcast. He’s clearly not a man of his word, therefore, not a man of integrity.
You’re right. I remember that interview with Lynette as well.
Here’s two more of my cents on Song-gate:
1. I don’t think people are keeping track of Adam’s list of grievances the way you think they are. There are a few exceptions, but I doubt many of your listeners are thinking “she addressed points 2, 5, & 7 through 9, but not numbers 4 or 11, what gives?” As far as veracity goes, I’d wager their general sentiment is, to paraphrase Larry Miller, the game is over and you’ve already won. So I would guess it’s a minority of your audience who is clamoring for it, along with non-listeners who are in it for the drama, or up just missed the Pukeocalypse episode, which you handled very well. People who like the show already like it; it may be something you want to get into, but it isn’t a “must”.
2. While I don’t think there’s a need for scorekeeping or a dedicated feature, count me among those who don’t mind hearing you talk about it if it should happen to come up, or there was a theme you wanted to touch on. There’s just something about the song etc that didn’t seem to fit the general vibe of the show, from my POV. I apologize on behalf of all of us song-haters if it seemed like we were trying to censor you.
Alison, you know what is best for you. I also believe you know what is best for your show. I totally understand seeking or considering feedback as well as collaborating with trusted friends and/or experts. However, at the end of the day it is your show and people are here because of YOU. Just want you to remember that!
I looooooooooooved this long Thursday ep, I totally needed it after the weird week I’ve had. Thanks, dudes!
I’m fine with whatever Alison decides is best for her and her show as far as this topic goes – but I have to admit I would love to know how they are all doing and what not. Every time I see one of them tweet I go, “awwww, it’s Gary (or Matt, or Chris)!” and get sentimental. Word on the street is that Chris has his own pod now called Resume or something like that. I don’t know if it’s on the C network but am guessing it is. I might pop over for a looksee just cause I miss ’em.
Same here. It made me realize that I had precariously and begrudgingly tolerating the bullying shtick I had identified as mean and not funny the first time I saw love line. I never got it.
Now, don't get me wrong. Later I did get “it.” FE is a comedy savant and a work horse. He has what i think is the purpose of the jester, the willingness to skewer the common wisdom. But these I think are things that almost make up for the negatives. He of course would say there is nothing wrong because he is rich, but to me that is because we have a weird society where high school bullies can make a comedian rich by living vicariously. He would have a point, but is he really rich because of doing things like fucking up a firing or could he be even more succesful by not fucking up things he thought were fine for years? After a while, it became easier to ignore how he slighted guests and callers. This is basically what Barry Katz said in his podcast that FE surprised him that you could be successful by being prickly. But FE isn't being prickly like insult comics. He couldn't be funny when he felt threatened by the fan backlash that he didn't foresee. These events remind me of the personality issues. The funny thing is that he keeps people around him (Dr Drew and Bruce) who try to tell him this (along with a bunch of spineless yes men who even make a schtick about never threatening to disagree or criticize) but do it so incompetently that his rhetorical skills make it easy for him to win the argument. It is painful to listen to anyone fail to explain the issue. Anyway I still just find the whole thing sad.
I think the “secret” reason is that AR thinks FE wanted Gina Grad.
Same here. It made me realize that I had precariously and begrudgingly tolerating the bullying shtick I had identified as mean and not funny the first time I saw love line. I never got it.
Now, don’t get me wrong. Later I did get “it.” FE is a comedy savant and a work horse. He has what i think is the purpose of the jester, the willingness to skewer the common wisdom. But these I think are things that almost make up for the negatives. He of course would say there is nothing wrong because he is rich, but to me that is because we have a weird society where high school bullies can make a comedian rich by living vicariously. He would have a point, but is he really rich because of doing things like fucking up a firing or could he be even more succesful by not fucking up things he thought were fine for years? After a while, it became easier to ignore how he slighted guests and callers. This is basically what Barry Katz said in his podcast that FE surprised him that you could be successful by being prickly. But FE isn’t being prickly like insult comics. He couldn’t be funny when he felt threatened by the fan backlash that he didn’t foresee. These events remind me of the personality issues. The funny thing is that he keeps people around him (Dr Drew and Bruce) who try to tell him this (along with a bunch of spineless yes men who even make a schtick about never threatening to disagree or criticize) but do it so incompetently that his rhetorical skills make it easy for him to win the argument. It is painful to listen to anyone fail to explain the issue. Anyway I still just find the whole thing sad.
I think the “secret” reason is that AR thinks FE wanted Gina Grad.
I really enjoyed listening to all the bicycle stories as I rode my bike to work! That is, until I got to Jeff's stories where I suddenly got a bit more cautious and aware of my surroundings. Glad he's ok, very scary!
As for the song/segment, I think you addressed the situation really well on the Pukepocalypse episode. I don't listen to his show, but it sounds like his “reasons” are not real reasons anyway. I think most of your fans would agree. To address and refute made-up reasons just doesn't seem worth it.
I really love your show, thank you for doing it!
Agree again, Andrew. It's like you're reading my mind. FE decided he preferred Gina Grad and so set about making a “mental checklist” of all the reasons he could fire Alison.
I really enjoyed listening to all the bicycle stories as I rode my bike to work! That is, until I got to Jeff’s stories where I suddenly got a bit more cautious and aware of my surroundings. Glad he’s ok, very scary!
As for the song/segment, I think you addressed the situation really well on the Pukepocalypse episode. I don’t listen to his show, but it sounds like his “reasons” are not real reasons anyway. I think most of your fans would agree. To address and refute made-up reasons just doesn’t seem worth it.
I really love your show, thank you for doing it!
Agree again, Andrew. It’s like you’re reading my mind. FE decided he preferred Gina Grad and so set about making a “mental checklist” of all the reasons he could fire Alison.
Alison, I think the name of your segment could be something along the lines of “Memoirs of a School of Carolla grad.” Since it may be the last “job” you have for a while (if Independence what you want to try) you could wrap all your thoughts and experiences on working for “the man”, positive and negative, into it.
The truth is the “reasons” were all hastily cobbled together strawmen in a fit of rage Intended to be semi-plausible to team members eager to belief. You had to deal with them (for the sake of truth, justice, the American way, and the Oxford comma) and you did. The fact is you don't actually need a whole segment devoted to the half-assed “reasons”.
I agree in spirit, especially that we arent the people keeping score, and people who genuinely don't like a bit are right to let the entertainer know. The entertainer then adjusts…to entertain. So the following is barely a reply to you and your comment personally, maybe a rejoinder. The thing is she spent four years being good at something that she might want to do in the future. Suffice it to say getting a letter of recommendation is going to be awkward. The sheer pettiness of the reasons will say what needs to be said but still, if any of the “reasons” stick, they can be used as excuses against her. FE made her have to address the narrative that she can't be a good sidekick- among other things breaking with entertainment industry convention if not basic ethics.
For contrast of how a pro doesn't subsume social convention to their idiosyncratic whims, Listen to the Larry Miller episode where he announced going independent and the EXTREME pains he “doth protest' that he and FE are cool. FE basically mis-calculated the audience response In that we did not want a litany of exaggerations. We wanted good will. He could have given all the positive reasons why she (like he- well not like he- she didn't go on strike until her sidekick was fired) isnt meant to play 2ND fiddle. But a narcissist can do whatever they want because everything they do is good and admirable because THEY did it. Narcissism isn't all bad. By constantly seeking aggrandizement they drive themselves to success. But if praise is denied, watch the fuck out. He should recognize HE put her here and continues to take each explanation as an attack. But recognizing that is the one thing off-limits to a fit of narcissistic rage. Yes she <shudders!> told the truth when asked, and that truth captured the imagination of journalists and bloggers, but also understand that she was the one side-kicked out the door onto her ass- she is allowed to be distressed. These sound like criticisms, but if the truth were different I'd say whatever that was.
Nobody knows how to do what she is trying to work through. It is trial and error. The cute little ditty was a swing and a miss because of people didn't care for it. To each their own. Ditching the bit is right- not because it was a bunch of lies though.
Alison, I am sure there is a better way to do this on my end, but in order to reliably use your Amazon store I always (WHEN I REMEMBER TO) use the link box to the right. Yes bookmarks etc but I don't trust them.
Is it possible to add a search amazon text box? Just a thought.
By that I meant could you move it under the banner at your convenience, I did not mean to say that I'm a dumbass that couldn't even be bothered to look to see if you already have one.
Alison, I think the name of your segment could be something along the lines of “Memoirs of a School of Carolla grad.” Since it may be the last “job” you have for a while (if Independence what you want to try) you could wrap all your thoughts and experiences on working for “the man”, positive and negative, into it.
The truth is the “reasons” were all hastily cobbled together strawmen in a fit of rage Intended to be semi-plausible to team members eager to belief. You had to deal with them (for the sake of truth, justice, the American way, and the Oxford comma) and you did. The fact is you don’t actually need a whole segment devoted to the half-assed “reasons”.
I agree in spirit, especially that we arent the people keeping score, and people who genuinely don’t like a bit are right to let the entertainer know. The entertainer then adjusts…to entertain. So the following is barely a reply to you and your comment personally, maybe a rejoinder. The thing is she spent four years being good at something that she might want to do in the future. Suffice it to say getting a letter of recommendation is going to be awkward. The sheer pettiness of the reasons will say what needs to be said but still, if any of the “reasons” stick, they can be used as excuses against her. FE made her have to address the narrative that she can’t be a good sidekick- among other things breaking with entertainment industry convention if not basic ethics.
For contrast of how a pro doesn’t subsume social convention to their idiosyncratic whims, Listen to the Larry Miller episode where he announced going independent and the EXTREME pains he “doth protest’ that he and FE are cool. FE basically mis-calculated the audience response In that we did not want a litany of exaggerations. We wanted good will. He could have given all the positive reasons why she (like he- well not like he- she didn’t go on strike until her sidekick was fired) isnt meant to play 2ND fiddle. But a narcissist can do whatever they want because everything they do is good and admirable because THEY did it. Narcissism isn’t all bad. By constantly seeking aggrandizement they drive themselves to success. But if praise is denied, watch the fuck out. He should recognize HE put her here and continues to take each explanation as an attack. But recognizing that is the one thing off-limits to a fit of narcissistic rage. Yes she told the truth when asked, and that truth captured the imagination of journalists and bloggers, but also understand that she was the one side-kicked out the door onto her ass- she is allowed to be distressed. These sound like criticisms, but if the truth were different I’d say whatever that was.
Nobody knows how to do what she is trying to work through. It is trial and error. The cute little ditty was a swing and a miss because of people didn’t care for it. To each their own. Ditching the bit is right- not because it was a bunch of lies though.
Alison, I am sure there is a better way to do this on my end, but in order to reliably use your Amazon store I always (WHEN I REMEMBER TO) use the link box to the right. Yes bookmarks etc but I don’t trust them.
Is it possible to add a search amazon text box? Just a thought.
By that I meant could you move it under the banner at your convenience, I did not mean to say that I’m a dumbass that couldn’t even be bothered to look to see if you already have one.
I just talked to a colleague who loves the Oxford comma. She felt pretty passionately about it, which kind of made me feel more passionate against it.:) Of course, I thought of this show.
Also, I just saw somebody comment (on another page) that Adam had Brian play the female part for a bit on yesterday's or Thursday's Carolla show. Another commenter pointed out that not only id Brian play the role, Adam threw it to him and didn't even give Alison's replacement a chance to do itt, which is what often happened when Alison was on the show. Since this was one of Carolla's claims against her–that she refused to play female parts in his bits–it seems like just another twisted reason that he cobbled together. It's no wonder Alison has so much that she wants to say about all of this! It seems that she has counter arguments for everything that he said and actual audio, written or physical proof against just about all of the claims.
I just talked to a colleague who loves the Oxford comma. She felt pretty passionately about it, which kind of made me feel more passionate against it.:) Of course, I thought of this show.
Also, I just saw somebody comment (on another page) that Adam had Brian play the female part for a bit on yesterday’s or Thursday’s Carolla show. Another commenter pointed out that not only id Brian play the role, Adam threw it to him and didn’t even give Alison’s replacement a chance to do itt, which is what often happened when Alison was on the show. Since this was one of Carolla’s claims against her–that she refused to play female parts in his bits–it seems like just another twisted reason that he cobbled together. It’s no wonder Alison has so much that she wants to say about all of this! It seems that she has counter arguments for everything that he said and actual audio, written or physical proof against just about all of the claims.
I listened to Chris' podcast with Dr. Drew and Chris is a natural! He did a great job. I'll have to admit that while people seem to love Drew, he rubs me the wrong way. There's an arrogance about him that doesn't sit well with me. Resume is on the Carolla Digital Network. I wonder how Chris convinced Carolla to let him have a podcast and why it's on CDN, but not Matt's podcast?
I listened to Chris’ podcast with Dr. Drew and Chris is a natural! He did a great job. I’ll have to admit that while people seem to love Drew, he rubs me the wrong way. There’s an arrogance about him that doesn’t sit well with me. Resume is on the Carolla Digital Network. I wonder how Chris convinced Carolla to let him have a podcast and why it’s on CDN, but not Matt’s podcast?
Just my two cents — I agree that the song didn't strike quite the right chord. That said, I don't have a problem with Alison discussing the matter. It would be nice to at least hear Alison's thoughts on the psychological motivations for FE's actions — as to me that is the nuts and bolts of the situation, as well as the most compelling aspect.
I feel like it would be nearly impossible and even too speculative for her to really weigh in on his psychological motivations. If people are hating her for telling facts about the things that he claimed against her, imagine what they'd have to say if she started down the road of speculating about his psychological anything.
Just my two cents — I agree that the song didn’t strike quite the right chord. That said, I don’t have a problem with Alison discussing the matter. It would be nice to at least hear Alison’s thoughts on the psychological motivations for FE’s actions — as to me that is the nuts and bolts of the situation, as well as the most compelling aspect.
I feel like it would be nearly impossible and even too speculative for her to really weigh in on his psychological motivations. If people are hating her for telling facts about the things that he claimed against her, imagine what they’d have to say if she started down the road of speculating about his psychological anything.
Perhaps, but by psychological motivations I just meant what Alison had meant to go into in the next ep before she shelved the segment (i.e. FE's “real” reasons for the change).
Perhaps, but by psychological motivations I just meant what Alison had meant to go into in the next ep before she shelved the segment (i.e. FE’s “real” reasons for the change).
I really hope you don't get rid of the Carolla segment. I don't understand people wanting you to keep a lid on your perspective of the situation. I am a Carolla fan, but do not understand why it is ok for him to call you out to all his listeners, yet somehow it is unbecoming of you to address those claims. I find myself having some strong feminist feelings about this–why is it ok for a man and a boss to make public claims against a female subordinate, and have society support that behavior by telling that woman that she should keep mum on the subject. It just really doesn't feel right and I think you should be able to tell your side. You have been addressing each topic so respectfully too–the complete opposite approach that Carolla took. I think it is a strong segment, great podcasting, and as a longtime listener I really support and encourage you to keep it going.
Thanks Alison!
I really hope you don’t get rid of the Carolla segment. I don’t understand people wanting you to keep a lid on your perspective of the situation. I am a Carolla fan, but do not understand why it is ok for him to call you out to all his listeners, yet somehow it is unbecoming of you to address those claims. I find myself having some strong feminist feelings about this–why is it ok for a man and a boss to make public claims against a female subordinate, and have society support that behavior by telling that woman that she should keep mum on the subject. It just really doesn’t feel right and I think you should be able to tell your side. You have been addressing each topic so respectfully too–the complete opposite approach that Carolla took. I think it is a strong segment, great podcasting, and as a longtime listener I really support and encourage you to keep it going.
Thanks Alison!