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I love the show. You are a smart and fantastic interviewer. I just want to say. I heard “your former employers” reason why he terminated you. your better off. Its hard to talk to some one that never shuts the fuck up. You are like me when someone more dominant is the room I give them the floor. Because sometime being the main person sucks. Maybe this is my opinion because I have a twin brother. I spent almost 18 years in a head lock. But he went in the Marines and I went to college. You are better off is what I am saying.
I for one am glad you responded to the issues regarding the Former Employer. I think you did it in a classy way. Having Daniel read the FE's parts was genius. Who cares what the other side says and what the FE may or may not say. They can't touch you, and this will just blow over in a few weeks anyway. You said your peace, you are correct, and we believe you. You left with your integrity intact, and no matter what happens this is the most important part. Let's move on! I know I have, I can't stomach to listen to him anymore…..
I wondered why you didn't stick around to sign and take pictures after the show, I now understand. I just pray the Boboboys will be ok over there…..
What episode of Carolla show were they talking about?
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I love the show. You are a smart and fantastic interviewer. I just want to say. I heard “your former employers” reason why he terminated you. your better off. Its hard to talk to some one that never shuts the fuck up. You are like me when someone more dominant is the room I give them the floor. Because sometime being the main person sucks. Maybe this is my opinion because I have a twin brother. I spent almost 18 years in a head lock. But he went in the Marines and I went to college. You are better off is what I am saying.
I for one am glad you responded to the issues regarding the Former Employer. I think you did it in a classy way. Having Daniel read the FE’s parts was genius. Who cares what the other side says and what the FE may or may not say. They can’t touch you, and this will just blow over in a few weeks anyway. You said your peace, you are correct, and we believe you. You left with your integrity intact, and no matter what happens this is the most important part. Let’s move on! I know I have, I can’t stomach to listen to him anymore…..
I wondered why you didn’t stick around to sign and take pictures after the show, I now understand. I just pray the Boboboys will be ok over there…..
What episode of Carolla show were they talking about?
thing it helps to remember about adam is every one he loved basically before thirty basically abandoned him or died at one time or another. the only people that stuck with him were peic douchebag dudes straight of lord of the flies. think about growing up in that kind of environment, divorced from all nurturing and empathy.
so if he got those vibes from you, from anyone, that someone he cares about or relies upon professionally, rightly or wrongly are gonna leave him, he's gonna react like that same little kid that got fucked over so often. he's gonna cut ties and cut his losses before they do.
then he realized he fucked up with your firing, both with the way it was handled with you and the audience, and it wasn't just his pirate ship but the listeners had something to do with it too, and he treated you badly and we wanted an explanation. but he doesn't want to admit it was an emotional failing of his, so he mentions ticky tack ways in which you weren't totally dedicated. I think you should feel sad for him more than be angry for him despite what he put you through.
best wishes alison, you're a great talent and sweet lady.
thing it helps to remember about adam is every one he loved basically before thirty basically abandoned him or died at one time or another. the only people that stuck with him were peic douchebag dudes straight of lord of the flies. think about growing up in that kind of environment, divorced from all nurturing and empathy.
so if he got those vibes from you, from anyone, that someone he cares about or relies upon professionally, rightly or wrongly are gonna leave him, he’s gonna react like that same little kid that got fucked over so often. he’s gonna cut ties and cut his losses before they do.
then he realized he fucked up with your firing, both with the way it was handled with you and the audience, and it wasn’t just his pirate ship but the listeners had something to do with it too, and he treated you badly and we wanted an explanation. but he doesn’t want to admit it was an emotional failing of his, so he mentions ticky tack ways in which you weren’t totally dedicated. I think you should feel sad for him more than be angry for him despite what he put you through.
best wishes alison, you’re a great talent and sweet lady.
Holy shit, “Distance myself from your brand.” Get that on Reddit/Urban dictionary! That is genius.
The way you describe it is basically the same as living in a dictatorship. It actually benefits the dictator to make his underlings think he is crazy. Look on the bright side. You weren't executed.
By the way, you keep talking about his feelings like he has any. You are a great fit for someone like Kevin Smith's askewniverse (although, I'm not sure what benefit you get from a podcast network, other than a little exposure). You (and Kevin Smith- more sensitive, more neurotic, less aggro, less abbrasive) are emotionally poorly compatible with an AC. The odd couple is actually fun to watch. Odd that the Aceman comedy genius didn't realize it. It is dumb for people to claim this is because of anything you did.
AND by the way, why do people think you are political? I'm more political than ANYONE you will ever have on your show, unless you have some politician (and even some of them know little about political science) and I can tell. I'm also political enough not to feel threatened in any way by your acceptance of the standard liberal milieu (you live in California- in fact, probably AC's exception to the rule status is what gives him some juice). You seem reluctant to get into political issues, defer conflict, and every time you did say something almost political it was a very mild version of the liberal talking points that was in response to something someone else was ranting on and almost always started your “statement” with “Do you think….[insert liberal zeitgeist assumption]? Do people really think you are political (despite Red Eye, ACS, etc.)? AC is right about one thing, most people are nuts.
Some of the other things you said bring up something else. You've been more-or-less an independent artist for a while. Even within CDN you were “the talent.” This has some implications for how you would negotiate requests from your employer that people who have never been independent might mistake as “pushback.”
Yes…AND. I get a lot of “you need to learn to deal with difficult people” in my life. When do the crazy people get told they have to accommodate the normal people. I'm still waiting.
Holy shit, “Distance myself from your brand.” Get that on Reddit/Urban dictionary! That is genius.
The way you describe it is basically the same as living in a dictatorship. It actually benefits the dictator to make his underlings think he is crazy. Look on the bright side. You weren’t executed.
By the way, you keep talking about his feelings like he has any. You are a great fit for someone like Kevin Smith’s askewniverse (although, I’m not sure what benefit you get from a podcast network, other than a little exposure). You (and Kevin Smith- more sensitive, more neurotic, less aggro, less abbrasive) are emotionally poorly compatible with an AC. The odd couple is actually fun to watch. Odd that the Aceman comedy genius didn’t realize it. It is dumb for people to claim this is because of anything you did.
AND by the way, why do people think you are political? I’m more political than ANYONE you will ever have on your show, unless you have some politician (and even some of them know little about political science) and I can tell. I’m also political enough not to feel threatened in any way by your acceptance of the standard liberal milieu (you live in California- in fact, probably AC’s exception to the rule status is what gives him some juice). You seem reluctant to get into political issues, defer conflict, and every time you did say something almost political it was a very mild version of the liberal talking points that was in response to something someone else was ranting on and almost always started your “statement” with “Do you think….[insert liberal zeitgeist assumption]? Do people really think you are political (despite Red Eye, ACS, etc.)? AC is right about one thing, most people are nuts.
Some of the other things you said bring up something else. You’ve been more-or-less an independent artist for a while. Even within CDN you were “the talent.” This has some implications for how you would negotiate requests from your employer that people who have never been independent might mistake as “pushback.”
Yes…AND. I get a lot of “you need to learn to deal with difficult people” in my life. When do the crazy people get told they have to accommodate the normal people. I’m still waiting.
I'm not saying he needs to be accommodated, I said he was wrong, I said he fucked up. I was simply saying it might be helpful for her to think of this of his fucked up arrested development rearing its head, rather than a calculated personal betrayal of her. because it's so weird and hurtful and shocking when someone you think cares about you deeply to flip 180 degrees on you and your just left going wtf just happened here. I'm not saying this to absolve him of anything, but to help her.
I wrote the ACS main show and told them I'd never listen to the main pod again because even though it was my favorite podcast, I had listened to him hilariously and correctly bitch for 2+ years about people acting disgracefully and not treating people with dignity and not taking a step back and looking at situations objectively and doing what is fair from that stand point and I wouldn't be able to hear that nonsense ever again after he shitcanned right after christmas in an email no less. I'm not apologizing. I was just offering an observation I thought might help her make sense of a retarded situation.
I’m not saying he needs to be accommodated, I said he was wrong, I said he fucked up. I was simply saying it might be helpful for her to think of this of his fucked up arrested development rearing its head, rather than a calculated personal betrayal of her. because it’s so weird and hurtful and shocking when someone you think cares about you deeply to flip 180 degrees on you and your just left going wtf just happened here. I’m not saying this to absolve him of anything, but to help her.
I wrote the ACS main show and told them I’d never listen to the main pod again because even though it was my favorite podcast, I had listened to him hilariously and correctly bitch for 2+ years about people acting disgracefully and not treating people with dignity and not taking a step back and looking at situations objectively and doing what is fair from that stand point and I wouldn’t be able to hear that nonsense ever again after he shitcanned right after christmas in an email no less. I’m not apologizing. I was just offering an observation I thought might help her make sense of a retarded situation.
I started listening to ARIYNBF over the holidays. I was bored and decided to listen to more podcasts, and this one was high on iTunes, so I thought I'd give it a shot. I have been thinking about writing to Alison in some way or another, and after listening to the weekend episode last night inspired me to finally take the time to write in what's on my mind. Apologies for the length.
My own career has had so many ups and downs I can't keep track. The first time I got a job doing what I wanted to do, I was young and inexperienced. When my employer was rumored to be downsizing, I jumped ship, knowing that as one of the people who knew the least, I'd be dropped in a second if that happened. There were a million reasons I left that job, but, in addition to the likelihood of being laid off, I felt like I didn't want to fight to keep my job. It was a very negative environment, and I was told daily that I was incompetent and made to feel useless. I was given no help or time to learn to be better at my job. There are actually some people who thrive in that kind of environment and grow because of their thirst to prove someone wrong. I'm not one of them; I thrive in a non-hostile, friendly environment in which lines of communications are open and you're allowed to ask questions and have discussions about how you can improve your performance moving forward.
I share my experience here mainly because, since I have started listening to the podcast and you shared your experience being fired, you've not only taken the high road, but you've also not let it affect your career and success moving forward. I can tell you from experience that, even though the situation is fresh and feels awkward and extremely uncomfortable, the way you are dealing with it will benefit you so much in the long run. I recently ran into my boss from the former employer mentioned above, and I'm now working in the same field for a better employer, for more money. It was the best feeling in the world to be able to smile and make small talk and know that it truly was their loss, and that I became more successful in an environment that allowed me to thrive.
I never listened to your Former Employer Who Must Not Be Named, but my opinion is that he needs to get over his butthurtedness that people still like you even though he didn't. To be honest, it sounds like he is lucky you haven't turned this into a gender discrimination lawsuit. This is not to say he's a terrible person or did anything illegal, necessarily, but the truth is, some people are good people but not good managers.
Enjoy your future success, and especially enjoy any future super happy small talk with people who would have rather seen you fail!
Hello there -I find myself embarrasingly interested into the why's of AC's letting you go; and have been from the get go (although really, it would be A-OK with me for you to continue to hold your tongue if you so wished – it REALLY isn't anyone's business!). Regardless of what he “heard” when you responded to him at the times of the interactions mentioned vs what you intended or actually said – it still does not make sense for him to have let you go, Alison. I think that is why so many people …are pushing for answers. And now, it makes even less sense. According to this episode, AC was (financially AND socially) benefiting directly from your successes on your independent show in several ways from it's being hosted / produced within his network. Everyone can absolutely agree that he can do whatever he wishes within the context of his brand and show – and keep whatever personnel he so chooses. It still doesn't make sense. He had a huge asset in you.
I find myself most saddened by hearing that the employment of the former Thursday Gang was on the line if they “had anything to do with you”. I do not refer to producing (Gary) etc, – I am talking about in their free time coming to DNR and sitting for a chat with your current producing setup. THAT – well – that just soured me through and through. I like to think that perhaps you were misinformed by those “close to the situation” that told you that. It is kind of awful to believe, you know?
I found you through listening to AC's podcast and I find I listen to you and your show(s) more often, especially since the beginning of the year. AC just isn't the same without you. I agree with Daniel that you are better off to handle this on your own and you will go far. All of the best of luck and keep those episodes coming! (yes a 4th!!)
On a side note, happy to hear that Daniel is improving and the two of you are finding happiness with Wendy in the midst of the grief and change in the last several months!
I started listening to ARIYNBF over the holidays. I was bored and decided to listen to more podcasts, and this one was high on iTunes, so I thought I’d give it a shot. I have been thinking about writing to Alison in some way or another, and after listening to the weekend episode last night inspired me to finally take the time to write in what’s on my mind. Apologies for the length.
My own career has had so many ups and downs I can’t keep track. The first time I got a job doing what I wanted to do, I was young and inexperienced. When my employer was rumored to be downsizing, I jumped ship, knowing that as one of the people who knew the least, I’d be dropped in a second if that happened. There were a million reasons I left that job, but, in addition to the likelihood of being laid off, I felt like I didn’t want to fight to keep my job. It was a very negative environment, and I was told daily that I was incompetent and made to feel useless. I was given no help or time to learn to be better at my job. There are actually some people who thrive in that kind of environment and grow because of their thirst to prove someone wrong. I’m not one of them; I thrive in a non-hostile, friendly environment in which lines of communications are open and you’re allowed to ask questions and have discussions about how you can improve your performance moving forward.
I share my experience here mainly because, since I have started listening to the podcast and you shared your experience being fired, you’ve not only taken the high road, but you’ve also not let it affect your career and success moving forward. I can tell you from experience that, even though the situation is fresh and feels awkward and extremely uncomfortable, the way you are dealing with it will benefit you so much in the long run. I recently ran into my boss from the former employer mentioned above, and I’m now working in the same field for a better employer, for more money. It was the best feeling in the world to be able to smile and make small talk and know that it truly was their loss, and that I became more successful in an environment that allowed me to thrive.
I never listened to your Former Employer Who Must Not Be Named, but my opinion is that he needs to get over his butthurtedness that people still like you even though he didn’t. To be honest, it sounds like he is lucky you haven’t turned this into a gender discrimination lawsuit. This is not to say he’s a terrible person or did anything illegal, necessarily, but the truth is, some people are good people but not good managers.
Enjoy your future success, and especially enjoy any future super happy small talk with people who would have rather seen you fail!
Hello there -I find myself embarrasingly interested into the why’s of AC’s letting you go; and have been from the get go (although really, it would be A-OK with me for you to continue to hold your tongue if you so wished – it REALLY isn’t anyone’s business!). Regardless of what he “heard” when you responded to him at the times of the interactions mentioned vs what you intended or actually said – it still does not make sense for him to have let you go, Alison. I think that is why so many people …are pushing for answers. And now, it makes even less sense. According to this episode, AC was (financially AND socially) benefiting directly from your successes on your independent show in several ways from it’s being hosted / produced within his network. Everyone can absolutely agree that he can do whatever he wishes within the context of his brand and show – and keep whatever personnel he so chooses. It still doesn’t make sense. He had a huge asset in you.
I find myself most saddened by hearing that the employment of the former Thursday Gang was on the line if they “had anything to do with you”. I do not refer to producing (Gary) etc, – I am talking about in their free time coming to DNR and sitting for a chat with your current producing setup. THAT – well – that just soured me through and through. I like to think that perhaps you were misinformed by those “close to the situation” that told you that. It is kind of awful to believe, you know?
I found you through listening to AC’s podcast and I find I listen to you and your show(s) more often, especially since the beginning of the year. AC just isn’t the same without you. I agree with Daniel that you are better off to handle this on your own and you will go far. All of the best of luck and keep those episodes coming! (yes a 4th!!)
On a side note, happy to hear that Daniel is improving and the two of you are finding happiness with Wendy in the midst of the grief and change in the last several months!
I personally am glad for the response to the former employer. You have every right to earn a livable wage, and I always wondered what the pay for doing the show consisted of. While I think all of this was a huge misunderstanding and in some parts a spinning of his decision, I think you'll do great, Rosen. I do miss the Thursday crew, but take their inability to “come and play” for what is was; Adam got fuckin mauled by us, the fan base. I mean, it got straight nasty when you got let go. I saw peeps talking crap to Lynette and everything. He realized you had a huge alliance behind you and was forced to tuck tail and save face. You should see that as a tip of the cap to you. You've said you have the NICEST listeners, but we will turn into social media pitbulls in your defense. Can't tell ya how much I enjoy the show still, and having Daniel on board is a great addition. I'm a subscriber and I've still been keeping up on ACS, but he seriously shot himself in the foot letting you go. Next show can I get an Alison guitar solo?
I personally am glad for the response to the former employer. You have every right to earn a livable wage, and I always wondered what the pay for doing the show consisted of. While I think all of this was a huge misunderstanding and in some parts a spinning of his decision, I think you’ll do great, Rosen. I do miss the Thursday crew, but take their inability to “come and play” for what is was; Adam got fuckin mauled by us, the fan base. I mean, it got straight nasty when you got let go. I saw peeps talking crap to Lynette and everything. He realized you had a huge alliance behind you and was forced to tuck tail and save face. You should see that as a tip of the cap to you. You’ve said you have the NICEST listeners, but we will turn into social media pitbulls in your defense. Can’t tell ya how much I enjoy the show still, and having Daniel on board is a great addition. I’m a subscriber and I’ve still been keeping up on ACS, but he seriously shot himself in the foot letting you go. Next show can I get an Alison guitar solo?
Thank you Alison for addressing (and killing) the numerous accusations thrown at you by “Rant Man” Ace Carolla. Although I'd have been totally fine if you choose not to meet his criticisms of you. But classy as you seem to be, you didn't do it as soon as he spewed out his own lies about you and your tenure there.
And with your own versions of the numerous criticized events things look more and more bleak for the old Ace Man. Well after seeing that AC was about as fair and balanced as Fox news, he has now defiantly fallen from the high pedestal he perched himself up upon. And quite a long fall that will be, seeing how he constantly blows his own horn about how even keel he is and how he treats everyone around him fairly and just…
And really the work environment at the old show seems to have been about the same as he perceived it being on The Ellen Show. You know where most all employees run around scared shitless of their own employer. Can anyone say hypocrite about the Rant Man?!
Thank you Alison for addressing (and killing) the numerous accusations thrown at you by “Rant Man” Ace Carolla. Although I’d have been totally fine if you choose not to meet his criticisms of you. But classy as you seem to be, you didn’t do it as soon as he spewed out his own lies about you and your tenure there.
And with your own versions of the numerous criticized events things look more and more bleak for the old Ace Man. Well after seeing that AC was about as fair and balanced as Fox news, he has now defiantly fallen from the high pedestal he perched himself up upon. And quite a long fall that will be, seeing how he constantly blows his own horn about how even keel he is and how he treats everyone around him fairly and just…
And really the work environment at the old show seems to have been about the same as he perceived it being on The Ellen Show. You know where most all employees run around scared shitless of their own employer. Can anyone say hypocrite about the Rant Man?!
Go Alison! Very happy to hear you set the record straight and hopefully get everything off your chest. And I love Daniel as your co-host.
Go Alison! Very happy to hear you set the record straight and hopefully get everything off your chest. And I love Daniel as your co-host.
Glad to hear your response to Adam's list. It's hard to listen to that guy knowing what a hypocrite and pussy he is. 50% of revenue, 50% of Amazon??? Your dime for itunes promotion? Then complaining you don't contribute to the Defense Fund. Dudes the Mafia
Did he even give you a wedding gift? I expected a shoutout on the Podcast AC did on your wedding day. And the turns around and plays some sorry sympathy card about “no one wants to talk about car racing” I started laughing out load cause he was 100% serious but a self proclaimed Man Show “man” and he sounded like a little girl.
Best of luck with the fertility treatments. Ive had experience. Expensive. Emotionally and financially draining. Adam knows this but seems more comfortable spending it on Molly's ear or shallow Lynette's driving lessons or sushi or whatever a non-working mom with a nanny somehow needs….Instead of a talented contributor to the show, both creatively with your on air talents and finacially with ARIYNBF via his mafia cut.
You should make a new bit like “Worse than a dry Carolla” where Thurs gang or listeners could talk about bad ways they got fired. Or “Douchiest Douche” where you can discuss bad bosses. make the Thursday gang diverse purposely so to have a wide appeal vs a gang of yes men. I don't know if Ray would do your show but thats a fancinating cat as well. Apparently he would show up regularily for $75 bucks a show. Something Adam refuses to pay.
Its a shame Adam couldn't be a Jimmy to you. I don't know why he can't truly help some people. I listen to Kevin Smith as well and he seems to aid his friends and celebrate joint success. Former heroin addict friend Jason Mewes shares a Pod with Kevin and Jason has a house. He didnt give Jason a house, they worked together and earned it together. Something worth supporting. Now as we look behind the curtain something ACS is clearly not.
Adam
Hypocrite
Pussy
Douche
Glad to hear your response to Adam’s list. It’s hard to listen to that guy knowing what a hypocrite and pussy he is. 50% of revenue, 50% of Amazon??? Your dime for itunes promotion? Then complaining you don’t contribute to the Defense Fund. Dudes the Mafia
Did he even give you a wedding gift? I expected a shoutout on the Podcast AC did on your wedding day. And the turns around and plays some sorry sympathy card about “no one wants to talk about car racing” I started laughing out load cause he was 100% serious but a self proclaimed Man Show “man” and he sounded like a little girl.
Best of luck with the fertility treatments. Ive had experience. Expensive. Emotionally and financially draining. Adam knows this but seems more comfortable spending it on Molly’s ear or shallow Lynette’s driving lessons or sushi or whatever a non-working mom with a nanny somehow needs….Instead of a talented contributor to the show, both creatively with your on air talents and finacially with ARIYNBF via his mafia cut.
You should make a new bit like “Worse than a dry Carolla” where Thurs gang or listeners could talk about bad ways they got fired. Or “Douchiest Douche” where you can discuss bad bosses. make the Thursday gang diverse purposely so to have a wide appeal vs a gang of yes men. I don’t know if Ray would do your show but thats a fancinating cat as well. Apparently he would show up regularily for $75 bucks a show. Something Adam refuses to pay.
Its a shame Adam couldn’t be a Jimmy to you. I don’t know why he can’t truly help some people. I listen to Kevin Smith as well and he seems to aid his friends and celebrate joint success. Former heroin addict friend Jason Mewes shares a Pod with Kevin and Jason has a house. He didnt give Jason a house, they worked together and earned it together. Something worth supporting. Now as we look behind the curtain something ACS is clearly not.
Adam
Hypocrite
Pussy
Douche
I'll say one thing for Adam Carolla: he picked smart women to be on his show. I started listening to hear Theresa, continued to hear you, and I love Gina Grad from the PGP, but I will no longer listen to Adam Carolla. The fact that he asked you, an employee who was generating income for him, to donate around $2,000 a month to his cause is unbelievable and very revealing. Best of luck in your endeavors.
I’ll say one thing for Adam Carolla: he picked smart women to be on his show. I started listening to hear Theresa, continued to hear you, and I love Gina Grad from the PGP, but I will no longer listen to Adam Carolla. The fact that he asked you, an employee who was generating income for him, to donate around $2,000 a month to his cause is unbelievable and very revealing. Best of luck in your endeavors.
Here is the thing about asking someone to donate their sole income streams for your pet project. We are incapable of doing anything other than thinking about it in terms of how mean we would be to do something like that to another human being, but we have brain wiring that some people don't have. So, it is both not as bad as well as worse for them because they have trouble differentiating between other people versus seeing them as extensions of themselves. This is how low self-esteem narcissists can treat other people as poorly as they treat themselves. It is not as bad because they don't mean anything personal by it. It is worse because they can't help it. And we are just as incapable of putting ourselves into that mindset.
As always – loved the show. Hope Wendy is fine. As to the further info on TFEWSNBN (The former employer who shall not be named)… I admit I look to see if there are any guests I would like to hear from, but have listened to only two pods there since 2015 began. In the first instance, as is typical, TFEWSNBN cannot stand the idea that ANYONE on earth possesses talents more impressive then his opinion of his own and he talked the entire interview about how HE had all the traits that made the guest amazing and wasn't it frustrating when the whole world doesn't come begging to his “pirate ship” for pete's sake its a warehouse full of pricey toys and sound equipment not a pirate ship – grow up little boy. I did listen to a Dr Drew and TFEWSNBN where Drew tried once again to explain to TFEWSNBN that his manner with human beings isn't conducive to a reasonable work environment – and as much as I HATE to say this, several members of the Thursday gang dropped Dr. Drew on his head and said, nope this is the best job we ever had, he is the best boss, no one is ever concerned about being yelled at …. I REALLY really liked the bobo boys, but I have to say my thoughts have strongly skewed. Additionally since everyone from the TFEWSNBN to all his staff say he doesn't write his emails, there were many of your so-called-friends who knew you were going to be fired …and said nothing. You can justify that all you want as fear of your job – but having been in that position a time or two in my 37 year career – friends don't treat friends like that – yes – it SUCKS to be the one to say ' hey heads up, boulder coming' – but all I can say is some of those friends ten years later were in a position to hire me and did so because of my ethics.
Keep on keeping on …. you are working out a great thing here and I believe completely in that old saw he who laughs last, laughs longest.
Btw, this is what I like to call “the future,” so I can be wrong, but my guess is the other guys should keep their resumes up-to-date.
You hit the nail on the head in regards to the old Thursday gang… Having the same people week after week really sold it, it got you interested in what new things they had to talk about week to week, and gave a sense of continuity… If you can't decide on a 5th, having a rotating 5th in addition to the steady 4 of Alison, Daniel, JKJ and #Al still gives a solid base to the show… Also, where do some of the new people come down on long-standing debates like butter sandwiches and shower travelling…
In regards to your comments on your former employer… I SO wanted to hear what you had to say… Until you started to say it… And then I realized, I just didn't care… I think I thought that somehow, you putting Adam in his place would validate my liking you and your show, to know that I was on the side of the good guys, and not the side of the bad guys… Then you started to explain and I realized it didn't matter, and that the important thing is that I like your show because I like your show, and that's all the reason I need to listen…
I also think Daniel missed a chance to plug some of his writing when he said about him writing fiction… I immediately wondered what he'd written, and I'm sure I'm not the only one… Would it be bad for him to get some more eyeballs on what he's doing???
Here is the thing about asking someone to donate their sole income streams for your pet project. We are incapable of doing anything other than thinking about it in terms of how mean we would be to do something like that to another human being, but we have brain wiring that some people don’t have. So, it is both not as bad as well as worse for them because they have trouble differentiating between other people versus seeing them as extensions of themselves. This is how low self-esteem narcissists can treat other people as poorly as they treat themselves. It is not as bad because they don’t mean anything personal by it. It is worse because they can’t help it. And we are just as incapable of putting ourselves into that mindset.
As always – loved the show. Hope Wendy is fine. As to the further info on TFEWSNBN (The former employer who shall not be named)… I admit I look to see if there are any guests I would like to hear from, but have listened to only two pods there since 2015 began. In the first instance, as is typical, TFEWSNBN cannot stand the idea that ANYONE on earth possesses talents more impressive then his opinion of his own and he talked the entire interview about how HE had all the traits that made the guest amazing and wasn’t it frustrating when the whole world doesn’t come begging to his “pirate ship” for pete’s sake its a warehouse full of pricey toys and sound equipment not a pirate ship – grow up little boy. I did listen to a Dr Drew and TFEWSNBN where Drew tried once again to explain to TFEWSNBN that his manner with human beings isn’t conducive to a reasonable work environment – and as much as I HATE to say this, several members of the Thursday gang dropped Dr. Drew on his head and said, nope this is the best job we ever had, he is the best boss, no one is ever concerned about being yelled at …. I REALLY really liked the bobo boys, but I have to say my thoughts have strongly skewed. Additionally since everyone from the TFEWSNBN to all his staff say he doesn’t write his emails, there were many of your so-called-friends who knew you were going to be fired …and said nothing. You can justify that all you want as fear of your job – but having been in that position a time or two in my 37 year career – friends don’t treat friends like that – yes – it SUCKS to be the one to say ‘ hey heads up, boulder coming’ – but all I can say is some of those friends ten years later were in a position to hire me and did so because of my ethics.
Keep on keeping on …. you are working out a great thing here and I believe completely in that old saw he who laughs last, laughs longest.
Btw, this is what I like to call “the future,” so I can be wrong, but my guess is the other guys should keep their resumes up-to-date.
When Former Employer talked about Alison not wanting to donate her Amazon money to the patent troll thing, he failed to point out that he was already getting about half of all her podcast revenue, half of her Amazon money, or that she was paying him for each episode she recorded at his podcast studio.
These were huge points to leave out.
You hit the nail on the head in regards to the old Thursday gang… Having the same people week after week really sold it, it got you interested in what new things they had to talk about week to week, and gave a sense of continuity… If you can’t decide on a 5th, having a rotating 5th in addition to the steady 4 of Alison, Daniel, JKJ and #Al still gives a solid base to the show… Also, where do some of the new people come down on long-standing debates like butter sandwiches and shower travelling…
In regards to your comments on your former employer… I SO wanted to hear what you had to say… Until you started to say it… And then I realized, I just didn’t care… I think I thought that somehow, you putting Adam in his place would validate my liking you and your show, to know that I was on the side of the good guys, and not the side of the bad guys… Then you started to explain and I realized it didn’t matter, and that the important thing is that I like your show because I like your show, and that’s all the reason I need to listen…
I also think Daniel missed a chance to plug some of his writing when he said about him writing fiction… I immediately wondered what he’d written, and I’m sure I’m not the only one… Would it be bad for him to get some more eyeballs on what he’s doing???
Huge points. Then he won't have to comment and claim “High Road”
I still listen and its funny to see how blind the man is..Listen for free but no support. Dance Monkey Dance
Dr Drew is obviously a very intelligent man
Its a bit confusing why he strokes Adam so much
It obviously isnt the money
Why does Drew need Adam?
Theres a topic
“Listen for free but no support.”
If you listen to a podcast that has ads, then you are providing support (revenue) for the podcaster. The podcaster gets more money per ad the more listeners he/she has.
When Former Employer talked about Alison not wanting to donate her Amazon money to the patent troll thing, he failed to point out that he was already getting about half of all her podcast revenue, half of her Amazon money, or that she was paying him for each episode she recorded at his podcast studio.
These were huge points to leave out.
Huge points. Then he won’t have to comment and claim “High Road”
I still listen and its funny to see how blind the man is..Listen for free but no support. Dance Monkey Dance
Dr Drew is obviously a very intelligent man
Its a bit confusing why he strokes Adam so much
It obviously isnt the money
Why does Drew need Adam?
Theres a topic
“Listen for free but no support.”
If you listen to a podcast that has ads, then you are providing support (revenue) for the podcaster. The podcaster gets more money per ad the more listeners he/she has.
Im not so smart…….Well thats fine too. This horrible handling of Alison and exposure of how Adam doesnt in the least practice what he preaches already has me changing my routine in what I choose to listen. I mostly was listening to see if he would comment further but he shows no humility, no remorse, and thats fine F him.
Alison my dear: excellent job living your own values while addressing the “hot topic”. So proud of you!!
I cannot tell you how different you sound since leaving ACS. You sound so much happier, relaxed, engaged and free. It's like a breath of fresh air. So glad you are outta ACS's rain cloud. I'm so excited about more episodes and really like the wrap up episode with Daniel. Jordan is my fave for one of the Thursday slots – like Daniel said he is just so naturally funny and engaging. I like everyone else that has been on, too, but I think if it were a contest then Jordan would win. 🙂
AC is talented, funny and successful. He is also responsible for his words and behavior and the consequences those can, have and will bring. Regardless of his upbringing, he is an adult that has choices – more available to him than most people in this world. I think it's tough that so many of those consequences are coming home to roost for him right now. It's a drag that his act is so dependent on dysfunction. It makes the success of one be a detriment to the other.
At the same time, I want to smack him for being such a duplicitous, oppressive, racist, chauvinist, childish, self centered butthead. (whew, feels good to get that out!)
Im not so smart…….Well thats fine too. This horrible handling of Alison and exposure of how Adam doesnt in the least practice what he preaches already has me changing my routine in what I choose to listen. I mostly was listening to see if he would comment further but he shows no humility, no remorse, and thats fine F him.
Alison my dear: excellent job living your own values while addressing the “hot topic”. So proud of you!!
I cannot tell you how different you sound since leaving ACS. You sound so much happier, relaxed, engaged and free. It’s like a breath of fresh air. So glad you are outta ACS’s rain cloud. I’m so excited about more episodes and really like the wrap up episode with Daniel. Jordan is my fave for one of the Thursday slots – like Daniel said he is just so naturally funny and engaging. I like everyone else that has been on, too, but I think if it were a contest then Jordan would win. 🙂
AC is talented, funny and successful. He is also responsible for his words and behavior and the consequences those can, have and will bring. Regardless of his upbringing, he is an adult that has choices – more available to him than most people in this world. I think it’s tough that so many of those consequences are coming home to roost for him right now. It’s a drag that his act is so dependent on dysfunction. It makes the success of one be a detriment to the other.
At the same time, I want to smack him for being such a duplicitous, oppressive, racist, chauvinist, childish, self centered butthead. (whew, feels good to get that out!)
I've never listened to the Former Employer's podcast. I only listened to the part where he explains his reasons for firing Alison. As he was listing those reasons, I kept thinking “that doesn't sound like Alison. He worked with her for four years, yet he doesn't seem to know her at all”. When he said that she wouldn't give her money for the internet troll thing, I immediately thought about Alison's medical expenses. I don't even know Alison personally, yet I seem to know more about her than her employer, who sits next to her every day. It became very evident to me that FE doesn't listen to or care about the people around him.
(Don't even get me started on him banning the old Thursday crew from working with you. Ugh!)
Alison, you are a really great person. You bring joy to your listeners. Honestly, I think we all know that you're better off on your own, doing what you want to do, how you want to do it.
Love you! (in a non creepy way) <3
Adam should have diverted some of that money he spends on Molly (the one eared wonder dog). Anyway one looks at Adam, he's just a fucked up dysfunctional douche bag with mommy issues.
I’ve never listened to the Former Employer’s podcast. I only listened to the part where he explains his reasons for firing Alison. As he was listing those reasons, I kept thinking “that doesn’t sound like Alison. He worked with her for four years, yet he doesn’t seem to know her at all”. When he said that she wouldn’t give her money for the internet troll thing, I immediately thought about Alison’s medical expenses. I don’t even know Alison personally, yet I seem to know more about her than her employer, who sits next to her every day. It became very evident to me that FE doesn’t listen to or care about the people around him.
(Don’t even get me started on him banning the old Thursday crew from working with you. Ugh!)
Alison, you are a really great person. You bring joy to your listeners. Honestly, I think we all know that you’re better off on your own, doing what you want to do, how you want to do it.
Love you! (in a non creepy way) <3
Adam should have diverted some of that money he spends on Molly (the one eared wonder dog). Anyway one looks at Adam, he’s just a fucked up dysfunctional douche bag with mommy issues.
Drew clearly doesn't need Adam one tiny bit. Here is my “take” on it. Drew is an intelligent nerd from a wealthy old Pasadena family. He imagined a life in medicine, not media. Once it became obvious that the media road was more than a mirage, he clearly decided – all the dough and then some, none of the risk, much less intellectual calories burned and hot chicks who all want to know him – seemed a bit of a no brainer. But back to the initial who he “was” – people from good backgrounds are typically loyal friends because it is considered the right moral position. AC became his friend before he became THE Dr. Drew, and regardless of whatever boneheaded position du jour that TFEWSNBN blathers on in public about that generates a 'media call to Drew for comment' – he's just not the type of person to say bleh too much baggage. I do give him props for continuously pointing out to AC that he's a bully and Adam could easily spend 12 1/2 cents more effort to put some polish on some of his turdier ideas before he repeats them for the 5000th time – I love it if only because it annoys AC so much that Drew does it (as clearly demonstrated on the recent Dr. Drew and TFEWSNBN – where he all but ordered Dr D not to ever imply he's not the Mary Flippin Poppins of employers practically perfect in every way. I laughed out loud that Drew just said OK everyone heard you (not OK your right, OK I won't do it just … I acknowledge that you want everyone to think you're a nice guy).
Drew clearly doesn’t need Adam one tiny bit. Here is my “take” on it. Drew is an intelligent nerd from a wealthy old Pasadena family. He imagined a life in medicine, not media. Once it became obvious that the media road was more than a mirage, he clearly decided – all the dough and then some, none of the risk, much less intellectual calories burned and hot chicks who all want to know him – seemed a bit of a no brainer. But back to the initial who he “was” – people from good backgrounds are typically loyal friends because it is considered the right moral position. AC became his friend before he became THE Dr. Drew, and regardless of whatever boneheaded position du jour that TFEWSNBN blathers on in public about that generates a ‘media call to Drew for comment’ – he’s just not the type of person to say bleh too much baggage. I do give him props for continuously pointing out to AC that he’s a bully and Adam could easily spend 12 1/2 cents more effort to put some polish on some of his turdier ideas before he repeats them for the 5000th time – I love it if only because it annoys AC so much that Drew does it (as clearly demonstrated on the recent Dr. Drew and TFEWSNBN – where he all but ordered Dr D not to ever imply he’s not the Mary Flippin Poppins of employers practically perfect in every way. I laughed out loud that Drew just said OK everyone heard you (not OK your right, OK I won’t do it just … I acknowledge that you want everyone to think you’re a nice guy).
Alison. Get. Over. It. You were fired and it doesn't matter why or how. This happens ALL THE TIME in the corporate world.
First of all, it's not just the corporate world, but also entertainment world, where people feel like they've connected with these personalities, in this case, podcast personality. Because of that, people have been demanding that she address Adam's claims about her, which she had a right to do even without the demands from the public. Second of all, while people are fired all the time, people with real emotions/hearts who are fired take time to get over it all the time too. So, the “Get over it! People get fired all the time.” comments are weak and lame. My guess is that Carolla still rants about times that he's been fired, since we all know that he doesn't seem to get over anything.
Alison. Get. Over. It. You were fired and it doesn’t matter why or how. This happens ALL THE TIME in the corporate world.
First of all, it’s not just the corporate world, but also entertainment world, where people feel like they’ve connected with these personalities, in this case, podcast personality. Because of that, people have been demanding that she address Adam’s claims about her, which she had a right to do even without the demands from the public. Second of all, while people are fired all the time, people with real emotions/hearts who are fired take time to get over it all the time too. So, the “Get over it! People get fired all the time.” comments are weak and lame. My guess is that Carolla still rants about times that he’s been fired, since we all know that he doesn’t seem to get over anything.
I wish Adam would listen to this episode, but we know he won't.
I wish Adam would listen to this episode, but we know he won’t.
You're right. Alison and the former Thursday gang would often joked that Adam wouldn't hear what they said about him, because he'd never listen to her podcast anyway.
You’re right. Alison and the former Thursday gang would often joked that Adam wouldn’t hear what they said about him, because he’d never listen to her podcast anyway.
As part of Carolla's claims about Alison, he accused Alison of not reading Brian's or his books. We already know that she had read Brian's book, since she interviewed him and his wife and had referenced specific parts of the book several times throughout the interview, but here's written record from 4 years ago that she had also read Carolla's book.:
http://alisonrosen.com/2011/01…
As part of Carolla’s claims about Alison, he accused Alison of not reading Brian’s or his books. We already know that she had read Brian’s book, since she interviewed him and his wife and had referenced specific parts of the book several times throughout the interview, but here’s written record from 4 years ago that she had also read Carolla’s book.:
http://alisonrosen.com/2011/01/exciting-news-static-cling-clarification/
AC is obviously a damaged human being and like many comedians he's turned this into a successful career. I don't like the way he handled Alison one bit, I loved what she brought to his podcast, and I think it shows how really flawed he is; that said, he puts out a very practical common sense message that resonates with many people…perhaps drew included.
AC is obviously a damaged human being and like many comedians he’s turned this into a successful career. I don’t like the way he handled Alison one bit, I loved what she brought to his podcast, and I think it shows how really flawed he is; that said, he puts out a very practical common sense message that resonates with many people…perhaps drew included.
Just heard your explanation of the AC situation. I appreciated hearing your side and I think it paints a clearer picture of the situation.
Just heard your explanation of the AC situation. I appreciated hearing your side and I think it paints a clearer picture of the situation.