So Kevin Smith came on the podcast tonight and he and Adam discussed their conflict and even though there may have been some yelling–or if not yelling, some talking in enthusiastic tones–I don’t think I suffered PTSD. I could say more but I need to change clothes and watch The Bachelor.
Here’s a Keek. I’m embedding a keek. Doesn’t that sound scatological? Pardon my keek. KEEEEEEEEK. Side note: What the fuck is a keek?
@alisonrosen and @thatkevinsmith after an intense show. Download it tomorrow.
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All I know is that, after listening to the initial exchange of gunfire, I want my two favorite podcasters to make peace. Thank you.
Forget about the arguing …your hair looks real good with that jacket!
I like 'em both but come down on the side of Kev Smith on this one. Adam needs to calm down. It seems like Adam got caught playing games and tried to cover his tracks by throwing someone under the bus. Hopefully, these dudes get it out and put it behind them.
I don't see it that way at all. Listen to the ep tomorrow. A lot is revealed.
I agree and also think Alison's hair looked good with Kevin's hockey jersey
I love a little to and fro between the 'Alpha ” males . Alison your awesme by the way.
Very excited to finally see some clarification between these two titans of podcasting. Whether the hatchet is buried or not, I hope they can work together again in the future, like the few live shows they shared in the past.
I blindly believe what Adam says. So before listening to a word of the podcast but having watched this. Kevin Smith is a nerd with little talent that has a cult following of fellow nerds who are into terrible subjects. Too many people listen to that over sensitive millionaire.
OMG you are so adorable Alison!!! Can't wait to heartomorrows episode AGAIN.
BYW Happyendings777 you need to check yourself before you wreck yourself.
Adam is the type of guy who would just admit if he eF'd up. : /
All I know is that, after listening to the initial exchange of gunfire, I want my two favorite podcasters to make peace. Thank you.
Forget about the arguing …your hair looks real good with that jacket!
I like ’em both but come down on the side of Kev Smith on this one. Adam needs to calm down. It seems like Adam got caught playing games and tried to cover his tracks by throwing someone under the bus. Hopefully, these dudes get it out and put it behind them.
I don’t see it that way at all. Listen to the ep tomorrow. A lot is revealed.
I agree and also think Alison’s hair looked good with Kevin’s hockey jersey
I love a little to and fro between the ‘Alpha ” males . Alison your awesme by the way.
You said “revealed”.. Huh, huh, huh
Very excited to finally see some clarification between these two titans of podcasting. Whether the hatchet is buried or not, I hope they can work together again in the future, like the few live shows they shared in the past.
I blindly believe what Adam says. So before listening to a word of the podcast but having watched this. Kevin Smith is a nerd with little talent that has a cult following of fellow nerds who are into terrible subjects. Too many people listen to that over sensitive millionaire.
OMG you are so adorable Alison!!! Can’t wait to heartomorrows episode AGAIN.
BYW Happyendings777 you need to check yourself before you wreck yourself.
Adam is the type of guy who would just admit if he eF’d up. : /
alison rosen the only good thing to come out of cdm
It is simple to me, a misunderstanding. Adam says call me, and can't quite see that it is demeaning to Kevin, and yes is slightly like bestoing on Kevin the right to call him, and Adam can't be bothered with finding Kevins phone number or write that he does not have it.
Kevin does not understand that Adam doesn't mean anything passive agressive by it, but at the same time is too proud to call and get to the bottom of it or write back and say something.
Being self employed, I often humble myself to try everthing to communicate, espiecially if I have the potential of making $50,000.
It is usually the case that what you saw as a slight was not ment purposely.
Adam and Kevin duking it out? Hey, more pussy for me…
alison rosen the only good thing to come out of cdm
I love both of them. Seems like a lack of communication, comedy of errors… sad! The show would have been epic… salty and sweet is right…
It is simple to me, a misunderstanding. Adam says call me, and can’t quite see that it is demeaning to Kevin, and yes is slightly like bestoing on Kevin the right to call him, and Adam can’t be bothered with finding Kevins phone number or write that he does not have it.
Kevin does not understand that Adam doesn’t mean anything passive agressive by it, but at the same time is too proud to call and get to the bottom of it or write back and say something.
Being self employed, I often humble myself to try everthing to communicate, espiecially if I have the potential of making $50,000.
It is usually the case that what you saw as a slight was not ment purposely.
Adam and Kevin duking it out? Hey, more pussy for me…
I love both of them. Seems like a lack of communication, comedy of errors… sad! The show would have been epic… salty and sweet is right…
I never venture onto these forums but that was a fascinating show.
Kevin Smith seems like an affably personable guy, but gave a really poor showing of himself in relation to this issue. He seemed weak, paranoid and intimidated where Adam was concerned – and I mean in general terms as a performer and not just on this show, where he all but fellated Adam whilst simultaneously soiling his clown shorts out of submissive fear.It was pretty clear to me that Smith had decided early on that he didn't want to work with Adam and acted out in a vague and non-committal manner so that he could retrospectively project the sort of daft nonense onto the situation that we heard him spouting on this show as an excuse for backing out of the deal.Maybe Smith felt that Adam was wrong for his audience. Maybe he felt he'd be steamrollered by Adam's bombastic style. Maybe he felt that he couldn't measure up side-by-side for some reason and preferred a more subdued straight guy or gal. Maybe he just tells lots of people that he'd like to work with them and didn't expect Adam to move it forward. We'll never know.
What we do know is that Adam had specific issues that couldn't be refuted and Smith didn't. Adam only ever expressed himself positively about Smith and the project. He asked Kevin to call him and gave him his number but, instead of calling back, Smith sent a non-committal 'Hey I have a deal too, maybe we'll work together' email that didn't move things forward and didn't require a response. The next thing he knows Adam got fucked over to the tune of half a million bucks because Smith wanted him off the project.
Smith's only problems were:
1. Adam did his usual shtick on his podcast and pissed off some of his listeners – he says. Even if this is true, what did he expect? A poetry recital followed by primal scream therapy and wicker-work?
2. Adam didn't call him back in response to a message that may or may not have been left. And whose interest was it in to ignore or not pass on a message from a celebrity about a 500k business deal?
3. Adam didn't reply to an email that didn't ask for or require a response, but which Smith felt that Adam should just sort of want to reply to. This isn't the behaviour of somebody trying to make a deal.
4. Adam didn't turn up to the PodDammit event, but he wasn't booked for it. As Smith said himself, Adam's team have his number because he's been on the podcast before. nd that's because if you're booking a guest you contact them to arrange it. What you don't do is ask some guy who manages a club to sort it out and then blame it all on him when it goes South.
To be honest, if some guy asked me to come in on a deal and then backed out over nothing, not only blaming me for it but also costing me half a million dollars in the process I'd be more interested in seeing them heading into the tarpits in a suitcase than waddling into my studio for a chat.
Fascinating broadcasting anyway. Well done to all concerned at Ace Broadcasting.
I listened to the podcast, and although I think Adam wins the argument, why is it so hard to make a phone call? At the end, I felt like the winner was Adam's ego, but the loser was Adam's wallet. One phone call could have at least opened up the line of communication. Instead, both Adam and Kevin were more ready to argue over who was in the wrong than to get it done.
I think all listeners lost b/c we sat through 1.5 hours of bickering.
Nail on the head.
I never venture onto these forums but that was a fascinating show.
Kevin Smith seems like an affably personable guy, but gave a really poor showing of himself in relation to this issue. He seemed weak, paranoid and intimidated where Adam was concerned – and I mean in general terms as a performer and not just on this show, where he all but fellated Adam whilst simultaneously soiling his clown shorts out of submissive fear.It was pretty clear to me that Smith had decided early on that he didn’t want to work with Adam and acted out in a vague and non-committal manner so that he could retrospectively project the sort of daft nonense onto the situation that we heard him spouting on this show as an excuse for backing out of the deal.Maybe Smith felt that Adam was wrong for his audience. Maybe he felt he’d be steamrollered by Adam’s bombastic style. Maybe he felt that he couldn’t measure up side-by-side for some reason and preferred a more subdued straight guy or gal. Maybe he just tells lots of people that he’d like to work with them and didn’t expect Adam to move it forward. We’ll never know.
What we do know is that Adam had specific issues that couldn’t be refuted and Smith didn’t. Adam only ever expressed himself positively about Smith and the project. He asked Kevin to call him and gave him his number but, instead of calling back, Smith sent a non-committal ‘Hey I have a deal too, maybe we’ll work together’ email that didn’t move things forward and didn’t require a response. The next thing he knows Adam got fucked over to the tune of half a million bucks because Smith wanted him off the project.
Smith’s only problems were:
1. Adam did his usual shtick on his podcast and pissed off some of his listeners – he says. Even if this is true, what did he expect? A poetry recital followed by primal scream therapy and wicker-work?
2. Adam didn’t call him back in response to a message that may or may not have been left. And whose interest was it in to ignore or not pass on a message from a celebrity about a 500k business deal?
3. Adam didn’t reply to an email that didn’t ask for or require a response, but which Smith felt that Adam should just sort of want to reply to. This isn’t the behaviour of somebody trying to make a deal.
4. Adam didn’t turn up to the PodDammit event, but he wasn’t booked for it. As Smith said himself, Adam’s team have his number because he’s been on the podcast before. nd that’s because if you’re booking a guest you contact them to arrange it. What you don’t do is ask some guy who manages a club to sort it out and then blame it all on him when it goes South.
To be honest, if some guy asked me to come in on a deal and then backed out over nothing, not only blaming me for it but also costing me half a million dollars in the process I’d be more interested in seeing them heading into the tarpits in a suitcase than waddling into my studio for a chat.
Fascinating broadcasting anyway. Well done to all concerned at Ace Broadcasting.
Finally, someone who presents up a balanced summary of the debate.
Woodcookie, you did a good job stripping away the unnecessary noise that distracted some people from the core elements of the misunderstanding. This “noise” included:
1. A lot of Kevin's philosophy that may have been lost on most people and made him seem a bit off.
2. Adam's people teaming up on a solo Kevin. Which eventually will distract most people from their thought process.
3. The general person's inability to relate to Kevin's point that his email, though it didn't contain a direct call-to-action, was in itself an invitation for a response from Adam.
4. Some manipulation on Adam's part when he took unecessary shots at Kevin saying in a condescending tone “Kevin… that's a little paranoid” or “Kevin… c'mon that's your ego getting in the way”.
One point that was missed was Adam's original accusation that Kevin concocted this whole thing just so that he could replace Adam with Ralph. At the start of the show, Kevin addressed that Ralph was never a legit player in the talks but Adam's false accusation was never brought up.
Anyway, I'm glad that they shared this exchange with their fan bases but I hope everyone just puts this in the past and moves on now.
I listened to the podcast, and although I think Adam wins the argument, why is it so hard to make a phone call? At the end, I felt like the winner was Adam’s ego, but the loser was Adam’s wallet. One phone call could have at least opened up the line of communication. Instead, both Adam and Kevin were more ready to argue over who was in the wrong than to get it done.
I think all listeners lost b/c we sat through 1.5 hours of bickering.
Nail on the head.
Finally, someone who presents up a balanced summary of the debate.
Woodcookie, you did a good job stripping away the unnecessary noise that distracted some people from the core elements of the misunderstanding. This “noise” included:
1. A lot of Kevin’s philosophy that may have been lost on most people and made him seem a bit off.
2. Adam’s people teaming up on a solo Kevin. Which eventually will distract most people from their thought process.
3. The general person’s inability to relate to Kevin’s point that his email, though it didn’t contain a direct call-to-action, was in itself an invitation for a response from Adam.
4. Some manipulation on Adam’s part when he took unecessary shots at Kevin saying in a condescending tone “Kevin… that’s a little paranoid” or “Kevin… c’mon that’s your ego getting in the way”.
One point that was missed was Adam’s original accusation that Kevin concocted this whole thing just so that he could replace Adam with Ralph. At the start of the show, Kevin addressed that Ralph was never a legit player in the talks but Adam’s false accusation was never brought up.
Anyway, I’m glad that they shared this exchange with their fan bases but I hope everyone just puts this in the past and moves on now.
I agree with your sentiments on this one. Despite Kevin Smith's proclumation that it was “great pod,” I had to turn it off several times due to it being too angst-filled to listen to. I'm not blaming either man for it or for their takes on the situation. This episode was also probably needed to create clear understandings between the two hosts and their listeners. Confrontational radio/podcasting is not everyone's liking, I guess.
Good episode – would have been better with a full video feed, hint, hint.
adam vs kevin blah blah blah I tuned out after 5 minutes boring!!!! the only good thing I heard was when kevin said yea some people think adam is a dick and nobody likes him lol wow!! oh yea and adam slipped one in at the end of the podcast and said his escalade was black and he was Bi and say hello to your gay army….I could hear kevin hissing like he was pissed.
I agree with your sentiments on this one. Despite Kevin Smith’s proclumation that it was “great pod,” I had to turn it off several times due to it being too angst-filled to listen to. I’m not blaming either man for it or for their takes on the situation. This episode was also probably needed to create clear understandings between the two hosts and their listeners. Confrontational radio/podcasting is not everyone’s liking, I guess.
Good episode – would have been better with a full video feed, hint, hint.
Alison looks good.
adam vs kevin blah blah blah I tuned out after 5 minutes boring!!!! the only good thing I heard was when kevin said yea some people think adam is a dick and nobody likes him lol wow!! oh yea and adam slipped one in at the end of the podcast and said his escalade was black and he was Bi and say hello to your gay army….I could hear kevin hissing like he was pissed.
I liked it(even though for someone with your need to “make everything okay” it must have been rough). It seemed to break down to Kevin not understanding that Adam was probably in his 40's by the time he had his first email address, and that if you want someone to call you go ahead and put that in an email with your phone number included(like Adam did)
I don't think Adam would have been afraid to make a call if Kevin had invited him to do so, I think in the ever murky world of television development things taking a while to come together is SOP, as is waiting for a deal to be in place to have creative meetings with the producers.
Smith locked on to the idea that Adam says if Dixon wants him to wait on meeting with the producers he will, and Smith acted like that was why Adam wasn't calling him. I think these guys can be cordial but eventually Adam would hurt Kevin's feelings bad enough for Kevin to lash out.
Alison looks good.
adam checked he didn't have access to kevin's number
I just started a Part Time job as a coach at the gym. the first thing we went over was how best to reach each other. i opted for texting. my situation is a LITTLE different since i'm paid $20-whole dollars per session I coach – a lot of coin on the line you see 🙂
I agree. Kevin is a sensitive person (I know because I am that way and can relate to his issue of Adam not ever call “first”). The difference would be me bending over backward for half a million TV's deal, no matter how many times I have to call Adam. And for Adam, I think he feels he has an upper hand on every aspects. So why should he cares if Kevin doesn't care to initiate the communication by calling him first.
I think we all lost at the end. Very silly but I get both sides.
adam vs kevin blah blah blah I tuned out after 5 minutes boring!!!! the only good thing I heard was when kevin said yea some people think adam is a dick and nobody likes him lol wow!! oh yea and adam slipped one in at the end of the podcast and said his escalade was black and he was Bi and say hello to your gay army….I could hear kevin hissing like he was pissed.
I liked it(even though for someone with your need to “make everything okay” it must have been rough). It seemed to break down to Kevin not understanding that Adam was probably in his 40’s by the time he had his first email address, and that if you want someone to call you go ahead and put that in an email with your phone number included(like Adam did)
I don’t think Adam would have been afraid to make a call if Kevin had invited him to do so, I think in the ever murky world of television development things taking a while to come together is SOP, as is waiting for a deal to be in place to have creative meetings with the producers.
Smith locked on to the idea that Adam says if Dixon wants him to wait on meeting with the producers he will, and Smith acted like that was why Adam wasn’t calling him. I think these guys can be cordial but eventually Adam would hurt Kevin’s feelings bad enough for Kevin to lash out.
adam checked he didn’t have access to kevin’s number
I just started a Part Time job as a coach at the gym. the first thing we went over was how best to reach each other. i opted for texting. my situation is a LITTLE different since i’m paid $20-whole dollars per session I coach – a lot of coin on the line you see 🙂
I agree. Kevin is a sensitive person (I know because I am that way and can relate to his issue of Adam not ever call “first”). The difference would be me bending over backward for half a million TV’s deal, no matter how many times I have to call Adam. And for Adam, I think he feels he has an upper hand on every aspects. So why should he cares if Kevin doesn’t care to initiate the communication by calling him first.
I think we all lost at the end. Very silly but I get both sides.
Alison looks good.
I liked it(even though for someone with your need to “make everything okay” it must have been rough). It seemed to break down to Kevin not understanding that Adam was probably in his 40's by the time he had his first email address, and that if you want someone to call you go ahead and put that in an email with your phone number included(like Adam did)
I don't think Adam would have been afraid to make a call if Kevin had invited him to do so, I think in the ever murky world of television development things taking a while to come together is SOP, as is waiting for a deal to be in place to have creative meetings with the producers.
Smith locked on to the idea that Adam says if Dixon wants him to wait on meeting with the producers he will, and Smith acted like that was why Adam wasn't calling him. I think these guys can be cordial but eventually Adam would hurt Kevin's feelings bad enough for Kevin to lash out.
adam checked he didn't have access to kevin's number
I just started a Part Time job as a coach at the gym. the first thing we went over was how best to reach each other. i opted for texting. my situation is a LITTLE different since i'm paid $20-whole dollars per session I coach – a lot of coin on the line you see 🙂
I agree. Kevin is a sensitive person (I know because I am that way and can relate to his issue of Adam not ever call “first”). The difference would be me bending over backward for half a million TV's deal, no matter how many times I have to call Adam. And for Adam, I think he feels he has an upper hand on every aspects. So why should he cares if Kevin doesn't care to initiate the communication by calling him first.
I think we all lost at the end. Very silly but I get both sides.
I heard that the next day too, but, in my opinion, still not a great excuse on Adam's part. If Adam was able to get Kevin on his podcast, he could have figured out a way to contact him regarding this tv deal.
In all honesty, I think Adam and Kevin on tv would leave me wanting. These guys are both funny, but there is a lot of crap on television for a reason. Television has too many rules to follow that would inhibit their creativity.
I'd much rather see them do a movie, or perhaps something online that doesn't have any restrictions to their creativity.
I feel like “Not having someones number” is not a great excuse, when so much is on the line. If Adam had called Kevin during the mysterious 6 day hiatus between emails it would have taken away Kevin Smiths excuse. Smith and Adam, I think both probably wishes there was a phone call. Having said that, I think Smith down played how hurt he was for the gay backlashing (also a good name for gay fetish movie) he took from Adam's performance. It was probably why Adam was not contacted for the POD Dammit show, and in my opinion the reason Smith didn't follow thru. I wish Adam had forced Telecom to give him a show and kept the $500K which he was entitled to. Great Podcast. PS you guys should invite the contest winner back the next time DAG is on, that guy won an opportunity to feel uncomfortable for a couple of hours. It's like winning a root canal.
I heard that the next day too, but, in my opinion, still not a great excuse on Adam’s part. If Adam was able to get Kevin on his podcast, he could have figured out a way to contact him regarding this tv deal.
In all honesty, I think Adam and Kevin on tv would leave me wanting. These guys are both funny, but there is a lot of crap on television for a reason. Television has too many rules to follow that would inhibit their creativity.
I’d much rather see them do a movie, or perhaps something online that doesn’t have any restrictions to their creativity.
I feel like “Not having someones number” is not a great excuse, when so much is on the line. If Adam had called Kevin during the mysterious 6 day hiatus between emails it would have taken away Kevin Smiths excuse. Smith and Adam, I think both probably wishes there was a phone call. Having said that, I think Smith down played how hurt he was for the gay backlashing (also a good name for gay fetish movie) he took from Adam’s performance. It was probably why Adam was not contacted for the POD Dammit show, and in my opinion the reason Smith didn’t follow thru. I wish Adam had forced Telecom to give him a show and kept the $500K which he was entitled to. Great Podcast. PS you guys should invite the contest winner back the next time DAG is on, that guy won an opportunity to feel uncomfortable for a couple of hours. It’s like winning a root canal.
I felt that this incident was less of Adam's fault. However, as far as the crucial 6-day waiting period was concerned, it wasn't the most obvious thing for Kevin. He supposedly did try to call Adam, didn't seem to be working with strong representation, and is unfamiliar with network. There was also a bit of a stalemate between each person, concerning the importance of calling. If neither person called, it's hard for them to call-out the other person on the issue. For that matter, Kevin skipped out with quite a bit more in his satchel, and that kind of transcends who's at fault for hesitating to call.
Good show, good show.
I felt that this incident was less of Adam’s fault. However, as far as the crucial 6-day waiting period was concerned, it wasn’t the most obvious thing for Kevin. He supposedly did try to call Adam, didn’t seem to be working with strong representation, and is unfamiliar with network. There was also a bit of a stalemate between each person, concerning the importance of calling. If neither person called, it’s hard for them to call-out the other person on the issue. For that matter, Kevin skipped out with quite a bit more in his satchel, and that kind of transcends who’s at fault for hesitating to call.
Good show, good show.
On a completely unrelated note, Alison will be unveiling the new, minty fresh version of 'Alison Rosen is Your New Best Friend' very soon and you can hear a preview on iTunes now, featuring a Trappdog song flashback. Alison didn't give a premiere date, but she did cruelly tease it out as 'Soon™.'
I don't know what to make of this, but I guess we'll all find out together.
On a completely unrelated note, Alison will be unveiling the new, minty fresh version of ‘Alison Rosen is Your New Best Friend’ very soon and you can hear a preview on iTunes now, featuring a Trappdog song flashback. Alison didn’t give a premiere date, but she did cruelly tease it out as ‘Soon™.’
I don’t know what to make of this, but I guess we’ll all find out together.
Alison, you are so pretty, witty and crack me up! Love you!
I just listened to this and felt my stress level rising. May I suggest to them a book, Women are from Venus and Men are from Mars? 😉 I thought Adam was right on most accounts in this argument. As a long time listener, Adam is a straight forward, straight talking guy. Sure, he has communication issues, but Kevin assumed a lot, and he even admitted he felt that Adam did and could rub his fans the wrong way, so he had second thoughts. I could understand how pissed Kevin got when Adam would repeatedly analyze him psychologically on the podcast. Unless I go to a shrink and want help for my issues, I don't want someone telling me what is wrong with me! They should have incorporated a half-time show with your news! We needed the break.
Alison, you are so pretty, witty and crack me up! Love you!
I just listened to this and felt my stress level rising. May I suggest to them a book, Women are from Venus and Men are from Mars? 😉 I thought Adam was right on most accounts in this argument. As a long time listener, Adam is a straight forward, straight talking guy. Sure, he has communication issues, but Kevin assumed a lot, and he even admitted he felt that Adam did and could rub his fans the wrong way, so he had second thoughts. I could understand how pissed Kevin got when Adam would repeatedly analyze him psychologically on the podcast. Unless I go to a shrink and want help for my issues, I don’t want someone telling me what is wrong with me! They should have incorporated a half-time show with your news! We needed the break.
Alison, you are so pretty, witty and crack me up! Love you!
I just listened to this and felt my stress level rising. May I suggest to them a book, Women are from Venus and Men are from Mars? 😉 I thought Adam was right on most accounts in this argument. As a long time listener, Adam is a straight forward, straight talking guy. Sure, he has communication issues, but Kevin assumed a lot, and he even admitted he felt that Adam did and could rub his fans the wrong way, so he had second thoughts. I could understand how pissed Kevin got when Adam would repeatedly analyze him psychologically on the podcast. Unless I go to a shrink and want help for my issues, I don't want someone telling me what is wrong with me! They should have incorporated a half-time show with your news! We needed the break.